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The Republic

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(thing) by nowan (8.2 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Sun Nov 14 1999 at 9:02:56

This is one of Plato's longer dialogues. In it Socrates gets into an argument about whether it is the just or the unjust who do best in life. As part of his argument he describes his conception of the ideal state. The Republic is also where Socrates makes one of his more complete descriptions of the doctrine of the forms, including the famous cave analogy.

(thing) by Frater 219 (5 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Sun Nov 14 1999 at 9:02:56

A rather long rant largely on the subject of ideal government. Plato espouses a sort of hierarchical semi-meritocratic oligarchic communism, complete with mandatory indoctrination of the youth and censorship of the arts. (Poets are subversive, don't you know.)

(thing) by 2501 (7.2 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Tue Jun 20 2000 at 3:49:58

In the Republic, a large portion of the book is used to describe Socrates' Kalipolis or ideal city-state. Socrates' Kalipolis is composed of:
1. Producers - Which include farmers and craftsmen
2. Guardians - Protectors of the Kalipolis
3. Rulers - aka Philosopher-Kings
These 3 classifications were also referenced as the metals bronze, Silver, and Gold.
Another interesting piece of the Republic was Socrates' rankings (and the justification of those rankings) of four forms of character types and the city states that result when those character types rule. The types rank as follows: (with the Kalipolis, obviously above all)
1. Kalipolis
2. Timocracy- Ruled by those who are ruled souly by their spirit where the desire for honor, good reputation, and victory reside.
3. Oligarchy - Ruled by those who are ruled by their necessary appetites.
4. Democracy - Ruled by those who are ruled by their unnecessary appetites.
5. Tyranny - Ruled by those who are ruled by fear and their lawless unnecessary appetites.

(thing) by jakohn (2.2 mon) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 2 C!s Thu Jun 22 2000 at 14:28:47

The Republic

by Plato, translated by Benjamin Jowett.


(thing) by everyone (3.2 mon) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Fri Nov 24 2000 at 22:04:48

A Civilization advance.
The concept of the republic first appeared in ancient Rome, where local provinces sent representatives to the Senate, which governed all Roman lands. Normally, both the head of state and the local representatives in a republic are elected; no one is granted a position by birth or divine right. A republican structure is one of the few systems of government that has been used successfully in nations of great size and cultural diversity. The republic allows unprecedented freedom, at least to a significant portion of the citizens, which in turn fosters economic growth.
Prerequisites: Literacy and Code of Laws.
Allows for: Conscription and Banking.

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(idea) by post86 (6.6 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 1 C! Mon Apr 09 2001 at 14:18:16

Plato's The Republic

In the history of man very few writings stand the test of time without becoming dated and losing their meaning. Among those that have stood the test of time is Plato's Republic. For 2,500 years we have struggled to answer the questions he puts forward in it. Since it was first written we have seen the rising and fall of great empires, and revolution after revolution as we have searched for the ideal state.

Life in Athens
The year Plato was born, 429 B.C.E. was among the most heartbreaking years in the history of Athens. The Athens was a city under siege, not by a great army, that would come soon enough, but by a virus (According to current research by the CDC it was probably Ebola) that killed thousands. Among the dead was the great Athenian king, Pericles. It was under the rule of Pericles that Athens grew into a great center of art, learning, and democracy. Pericles using funds from Delian League treasury began building his new vision of a new Athens, which included the Parthenon. Athens at the time was teeming with artists and craftsmen. Among the scores of craftsmen working in Athens at the time was a stonemason, Socrates, who would in time change young Plato's way of thinking and even the course of his life.

Socrates would stand around on street corners asking people, those questions that today, we are still trying to answer today. What is Justice? What is a good man? What is a good ruler? This manner of questioning and debating with his students became know as the Socratic method. While he was tolerated a for a while the defeat of Athens in the Peloponnesian War (431BCE-404BCE) led to a time of uncertainty and period when it was not permissible to question the authority of the state. It was in this Athens that Socrates was tried, convicted, and executed for corrupting the youth of Athens in 399 BCE. Plato a student of Socrates for twenty years, who had been planning a career in politics, was moved by the execution of Socrates to become a teacher of his wisdom.

The questions Socrates raised lie at the heart of Plato's Republic. No writing of Socrates has come down to us through history, many of Plato's writings have. He largest is the Republic. It attempts to answer among other things what is the good life.

The Republic
Without a doubt the importance of The Republic cannot be understated, for it begins a twenty-five century quest that is still on going. Aristotle, Locke, and Marx have all wrestled with its issues.

The Republic is divided into ten parts or books. Each of these books is a lesson thought in the Socratic method by Socrates himself. The main goal of the work is describe the ideal state. Plato argues that the main purpose of a state is to teach its citizens to be just. He also argues that a man should work in the line of work that he is best suited. He also divides society into three classes rulers, warriors, and workers. It is this ideal state, this oligarchy where each man knows; his job, his place, and is just.

In Book I he agues that a `good' man should do that for which he is best suited. In his conversations about justice he leads his student to series of questions designed to point this out:

"...You would admitted that one man is a musician and another is not a musician... And the musician is wise, and he who is not a musician is unwise... And he is good in as far as he is wise, and bad in as gar as he is unwise... And do, you thing... that a musician when he adjusts he lyre would desire or claim to exceed or have the advantage of a musicians in the tightening and loosening the strings... But he would claim to exceed the non-musician."

Here we see that Plato and Socrates believe that a good man knows his job and therefore is wise and good.

Now that Socrates or really Plato, our author, has proven that a wise man knows his job he proceeds in Book III to explain his `royal lie'. "Citizens, we shall say to them in our tale, you are brothers, yet God has framed you differently. Some of you have the of command, and these he has composed of gold, wherefore also they have the greatest honor; others of sliver, to be auxiliaries; other again who are to be husbandmen and craftsmen he has made of brass and iron. But as you are of the same original family a golden parent will sometimes have a silver son, or a silver parent a golden son."

The purpose of this lie is to show rulers are different, yet we see at the end Plato's `royal lie' that there are those who will fall short of their parents' station and those who will exceed it. Thus in the end he leaves open the possibility to move up or down the strict class structure of his ideal state.

In the end we learn that a just man is happier than an unjust man, and if they a not able to guide their own lives it is the job of the ruler to do so. In his ideal state the ruler who is wise indeed guides his craftsmen, just as Pericles guided the building of Athens.

Plato's Place in History
Among the greatest achievements of Plato was the founding of the Academy in 387 BCE it is considered by many to be the forerunner to today's modern university. For nearly a thousand years Plato's Academy turn out scholars who traveled the classic world teaching its philosophies. Among the students who attended the lectures of Plato was Aristotle. Aristotle studied under Plato for nineteen years, and while he did not agree with Plato on some fundamental points, his work Politics in which he examines 158 governments is a continuance of Plato's work. After Aristotle left the Academy he ended up as tutor to young Alexander the Great.

The work of Socrates and his students opened up a whole new way of thinking, but it was the written works of Plato that saved them for the ages. His Republic provides a starting point from which the modern notions of philosophy and government both spring forth.

(idea) by Mr. Frog (1.7 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Thu Aug 30 2001 at 17:49:02

Many books have been written throughout the course of history. Some have been acclaimed as influential, few have gained the status of immortal. Among these immortal books lies the Western Canon, a list of philosophical writings hailed as essential in forming a philosophical background. One such writing is Plato's The Republic.

On the surface, The Republic seems to have been written by Socrates, Plato's teacher. However, at the time of its creation, Socrates had been dead, put to death by the same city he spent his life instructing. Plato wanted to keep the memory of Socrates alive by using him as the main character. To do this, Plato wrote this dialogue as Socrates asking his followers questions aimed at defining justice. Plato develops what he believes is justice through the answers provided by the students. In order to develop the idea of justice he first formulates a perfectly just society by using Socrates' method of question and answer.

This perfectly just society has three castes forming a pyramid. The base of the pyramid, constituting the majority of the society, is the producers. This element of society followed nothing more than their desires. These people would go about their daily lives as doctors and merchants, buying and selling products and services. They would perform one job, and one job alone. This job would be what they were naturally suited for, what they had an aptitude for, such as farming or building. A doctor would not be found building a house or farming. Instead, he would stick to healing. This he saw a just, everyone doing what they were best suited for. In all other aspects the producers would live their lives very similarly to the present American social system.

The rest of the population made up the Guardian class. This was the educated class. They were taken from birth and educated in the right modes of music, logical thinking, physical conditioning, and given a formal philosophical background. For years, the guardian class would receive a formal education. The city would provide them with their basic needs. They would be provided shelter in the home of a citizen. They would be given enough food to sustain them. However, they would not lead a luxurious life. Luxuries would deter them from the proper mind set that Guardians should have. Guards were not to be after possession, but personal pride. Therefore, only their most basic and simple needs would be provided for. In order to procreate, the city would host a sort of breeding festival for the Guardians to produce children at as high a caliber, thus providing the city with another generation of Guardians. As their education progressed, those who appear to devote their lives toward furthering justice would be placed in the highest caste, that of the philosopher king. The remaining in the guardian class would form the Auxiliaries.

The Auxiliaries simply would carry out the orders of the Philosopher Kings. They were the soldiering class of the city, protecting the city from all outside enemies. A majority of their training would be physical. However, they would not stop educating themselves in the hope of one day becoming a philosopher king.

The Philosopher King was at the top of society's pyramid. He was there, not because he wished to rule, instead he was there because he did not want someone of less intelligence ruling over him. There was also an aspect of personal pride and respect. A philosopher king was never after money, luxury, or outside recognition. He was not one who would be after prizes, trophies, or awards. Instead, a philosopher king ruled so that an idiot would not rule him. He ruled for the personal feeling of doing a good job.

With this setup and class system, many believe that Plato favored a utopia. This, however, was not his plan. Instead, Plato defined justice. This system of government provided a just system. The elements and ideas in the dialogue can be applied to everyday life. With this in mind, a reader can utilize this to live a just life in an otherwise unjust world.

Another topic worth mentioning is Sigmund Freud's idea of the id, ego, and superego. When Freud's ideas are placed next to Plato's system of government in The Republic, they are identical. The id becomes the producers, the ego is the Auxiliaries, and the superego is the Philosopher King. Thus, Plato's ideas have made their way in to modern thought. However, these ideas are definitely not followed in today's world. Plato hails the intellectual ruler who is after nothing but personal pride. With campaign finances what they are, the election of George W. Bush to the Presidency, and the fact that Colin Powell will not become a leader one can see how little Plato's ideals are adhered to.

Plato's thoughts might not be followed, but they still exist, and are studied by many intellectuals. Many people read and re-read his dialogue. In fact, because of its immortal basis in philosophy, it has been placed in the Western Canon, the list of writings that most western thinkers study to get a broad philosophical background.


(idea) by SharQ (3.3 d) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Wed Oct 31 2001 at 0:32:23

The Republic;
Why this book, is so immensely good, and (even more importantly)
Why you should read it

Plato's Republic is, any many ways, the exact opposite of contemporary political science - This is what makes it such a substantial work for politically interested people. In contrast with just about every other book on political science, The Republic is written in a captivating way. It discusses politics and political change - but it does not just tell you what needs to be changed, but also how and why - two questions frequently ignored otherwise.

Plato's radical way of observing politics is a substantial challenge to the modern reader. It provokes you to to think critically about politics, society, and the way in which we study them - the primary objective of any good book.

The best example of a thought-provoking issue is how readers today react to Plato's critique of democracy. The fun part is that everybody assumes that they have an answer of why democracy is the best form of government. By raising fundamental questions, both political and philosophical, the reader is forced to reconsider (or at least rethink) their views. Plato teaches us to have a closer look at our biases about democracy - we are forced to "defend" our form of government, based on reason in stead of emotion or authority

Another thing you can't help but admire with Plato is his way of manipulating his discussion partners. Closely related to other, less amicable debate techniques, but also with truly good speech and deduction techniques, Plato invariably puts his point across nicely.

In any case; If you have any interest in politics at all, go read this book!


(idea) by frankdeluxe (3.8 d) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Mon Feb 11 2002 at 4:18:17

Plato's account of education in The Republic (Part 1)

In Book Three of The Republic, Plato provides an account of the type of education (or mousiké, which is best translated as education, but denotes something slightly different; according to translator Desmond Lee, mousiké includes training in philosophy, music, poetry and so on. This is a bit different from what we think of as education today!) he considers appropriate for children chosen to be the Guardians of The Republic (Plato's ideal state). Rather than prescribing an education in which one learns subjects such as mathematics, literature and so on, Plato chooses to proclaim that the Guardians be educated in a manner that will enable them to be the ultimate military force. In Plato's view, this involves not only teaching certain skills, but also restricting students from being exposed to certain "inappropriate" materials and/or aspects of society. In two sections, he deals with the mental and physical training which are necessary to successfully produce the Guardians. I will briefly discuss each section of Plato's conception of a proper education as described in The Republic, Book Three.

§1. Mental Training

Plato examines the moral and theological qualities of the poets (most notable Homer and Hesiod) and their works. In traditional