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Cathedral of St. John the Divine

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(place) by dem bones (1.4 y) (print)   ?   (I like it!) Sat Nov 13 1999 at 10:22:10

The Episcopal cathedral was begun in 1892 in the Byzantine-Romanesque style.. In 1911, the plans for the cathedral were altered and a French Gothic style was adopted according to the design of Ralph Adams Cram. In 1941 the entire length of the cathedral was first opened. Interrupted by World War II, work on the cathedral did not resume until 1979, when the diocese established a program to train neighborhood youths in the art of stonecutting.

(place) by nutate (4.6 d) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 1 C! Thu Mar 22 2001 at 7:09:34

According to everything I've read, the Cathedral of St. John the Divine is the largest cathedral in the world. Located at the 112th street and Amsterdam Ave in NYC, the Cathedral is still far from finished. On the inside the cathedral recently hosted an exhibit on police violence and brutality that was truly stunning. In the past, Buckminster Fuller thought of building a bucky-ball around the center of the cathedral. Also, the author of the beginners guide to constructing the universe has done stonework there.

When I was a freshman (or first-year) at Columbia University my room in John Jay Hall overlooked Amsterdam Avenue and the cathedral. A beautiful sight to wake up to regardless of one's religion or lack thereof.


(thing) by Professor Pi (1.8 d) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 1 C! Thu Mar 22 2001 at 21:13:57

The St. John the Divine is the world's largest cathedral, based on the length of its nave. The interior length is 601 feet (187 m). It is "only" the largest cathedral, and not the largest church since several other churches are significantly bigger than this (a cathedral is defined as the official ecclesiastical seat of a bishop). The largest church in the world was the Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome, Italy which was surpassed in 1989 by the completion of the Basilique de Notre Dame de la Paix in Yamoussoukro, Côte d'Ivoire.

The St. John the Divine may also be the world's largest cathedral in terms of interior volume. However, the world's largest cathedral determined by floor space is the Santa Maria de la Sede in Seville, Spain.


Addendum regarding a question from Infinite Burn (and my thanks for the feedback). Besides the Pope's many functions (i.e. the supreme and universal pastorate, Archbishop of the Roman Province, Primate of Italy and the adjacent islands, and sole Patriarch of the Western Church), the Pope is also the Bishop of Rome. However, in this function, his residence is not the Saint Peter's Basilica, but the much smaller St. John in Lateran Cathedral.

(place) by AudieMcCall (1.4 mon) (print)   ?   (I like it!) 7 C!s Wed Aug 06 2003 at 17:52:39

I don't believe in God.

I pretty much don't believe in God.

Okay... here's the deal:

I believe in God. . .

. . . but only in one place: the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City. Apparently, the universe is constructed in such a manner that the omnipotent, omniscient --though obviously not omnipresent-- deity known for the most part in these parts as "God", only exists-- as far as I can tell-- when I exist within the walls of this largest Gothic cathedral in the world.

I can vouch for this phenomenon going back to late 1999 when I first stepped inside the church, its cool echoing darkness enveloping me immediately. I was living up on the edge of Harlem at the time, and began going often. I'd walk in past the periodic light shafting down from the stained glass, sit on one of the chairs (the nave has no permanent pews) and strike up an ongoing conversation on hold since my earnest Catholic childhood.

Hello old man. It's me.

These were not supplications, but rather heartfelt chats between one very good old friend and another. I didn't have to genuflect or cross myself to gain access to this communication. It's certainly telling that I don't feel this presence at all at, say, St. Patrick's Cathedral down on 50th and Madison shouldered up against Rockefeller Center and all those other much taller skyscrapers. If God lives there, he's the God of Pinstripes and Napoleon Complexes and Rudy Giuliani.

We moved to Queens in the late fall of '99 and my visits to St. John's became rarer but no less ardent-- in fact, maybe more so, since a two-train, 45-minute pilgrimage was involved.

And then, less than two years later, the world changed for New Yorkers and for everyone. I found myself in Our meeting place almost every other day, two trains or not. The conversations grew ever more urgent, but also so private that I couldn't even bring myself to write about them in my personal journal:

9/25/01

St. John's again.
Talking with God.
Private stuff.

Wondering: Is faith a means or an end?
Or is the question nonsense?

Sometimes I'd cry. Sometimes I'd feel God feeling me cry and letting me know that it was understood.

On December 7, 2001, while I watched TV in the living room, my wife took a home pregnancy test. From the bathroom I heard a calm but distinct, "Uh-oh." Back then I didn't know just how damned accurate those things have gotten, but still I had a gut inkling that this time it was for real. I had a whole new thing to talk to God about, a whole new way to be scared.

Old man, help me be a good old man.

On December 18, 2001, I turned on the TV and was dosed with a whole new horror.

12/18/01
8:12
St. John's is burning; a five alarm fire.

God damn.

What a lousy, lousy year.

In my head I drove a pathetic devil's bargain worthy of Winston Smith in room 101. "Take the goddamned Twin Towers", I practically prayed to Satan, "Just leave me my St. John's."

The firefighters, already crowned in glory, waded into the burning church which was home to, among so many other things, the largest memorial to fallen FDNY prior to 9/11. Commanders on the scene rapidly made the decision to use high-tech lasers to find their way through the smoke instead of following the common sense course of action: smashing through priceless, irreplaceable stained glass to vent it (adding a James Bond-esque/art connoisseur quality to their already enormous reputation for heroism). Within hours the fire was extinguished. But who knew how long the church would be closed to visitors?

In March of 2002 I got a short-term temp gig up at Columbia University. I walked by St. Johns on my lunch break, saw where soot still blackened the stones of the northern transept. My heart heavy and anxious, I climbed the front stairs and went in. It still smelled of burnt wood inside, and the gift shop, where the fire started, was still boarded up, but I knew instantly that the conflagration had done nothing to fumigate my Old Friend from the place. I sat down to chat.

In the end, you can only ask Him for a sample of his Grace, a slightly wider perspective than the one you're sitting in. It seems like a small thing writing about it now, but such an epiphany is really the only miracle there is. Art can offer it sometimes. Perhaps that's why I decided to become an artist.

And becoming one I am still.

Now I live in Seattle and have no place to talk to God.


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